Another video filmed on the fly while travelling. Is the black background good or bad?
These are classic LED MR16 bulbs bought from Poundland as a generic example of their style.
They are designed to replace classic tungsten halogen downlight bulbs, but usually lack the intensity and rich full spectrum of the traditional bulbs. They make up for it by running with much lower power and heat. As always with the generic LED bulbs, they will probably be driving the LEDs to the edge of failure to guarantee future sales.
My thoughts about the mystery "B" component are that maybe it was a backup option with two diodes in series in case one failed, or as an option for two different diode packages with a link in place of the unused one. The component that is there tests as a zero ohm link.
Others have suggested that it might be an SMD ferrite bead, which also makes sense.
I'll guess that the capacitor across the LEDs is partly for smoothing and reducing transient spikes of current. The other one to the zero volt rail is possibly for protecting against switching transients or reducing RF noise.
Bulbs like this can be used with fixed voltage 12V DC LED drivers, traditional 50/60Hz halogen lighting transformers and battery power sources. But they are not recommended for use with electronic halogen transformers, as they put out an "equivalent" 12V supply as a series of higher voltage pulses that work well with traditional halogen bulbs, but will potentially damage LED bulbs.
The electronic halogen transformers also require a minimum resistive load to operate in a stable way and may pulse or flicker the output if used with a low load.
Some bulbs like this may also accommodate use at 24V.
A hunt for the unmarked chip showed similar functionality to the AL8862, but it could also be a UM1350, MP2489 or one of many other similar devices. It's common for manufacturers to copy standard pinouts so they can offer their components as a cheaper substitute.
These bulbs would be useful as off-grid work lights.
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Although I've looked at plenty of mains voltage lamps, I've not looked at many of the low voltage MR16 style lamps. so let's correct that: let's take a look at one. We'll actually take a look at two, but we'll need to take a look at one because this status one is exactly the same lamp as this twin pack. ultra bright and they're both rated 4.5 watt equal 35 watts and 4.5 watt equal 35 watt.

It is the same lamp so named. MR16 comes from Mr Metalized reflector because they used to be Metalized reflector and 16 8 of an inch in diameter which is 2 inches. There we go two inch diameter lamp. That's what those figures mean.

These are designed for working on AC or DC. Let's start just opening one up, shall we? Let's Zoom down in this: the design for AC are DC and uh, the one thing they're not really suitable for is use with electronic Transformers For Halogen lighting, you can use them in the 12 volt. DC Supply You can use them with a traditional ordinary heavy Transformer that puts out 50 or 60 Hertz, but you cannot use them reliably with the more compact electronic drivers for halogen lamps because those Transformers normally need a decent load. I'm just going to try and get this out.

this may not be successful. I think I'm going to have to open these little tangs. this is a the LED circuit board is pressed onto another circuit board at the back with the driver. Um, but if you use them with the Spider-Man bear for this if you use them with their electronic transfers, they require a minimum load and they can be quite unstable, but even in normal operation, they can.

Well, this is not working actually. But even with normal uh, even if you get the load high enough, it causes problems because those electron Transformers are just going to use violence here. Those electronic Halogen Transformers put at very high frequency Uh pulses and those pulses are often quite high voltage. Okay, right, really ripped out.

So here is the circuit board we're looking for and what I'll do is I'll take a picture of this and then we'll explore it further and I'll explain why the Halogen Transformers can damage these lamps one moment, please. And resume. We'll start with the LED module. The LED module has seven LEDs but they're all in parallel and each one has three chips.

So the voltage of each LED is roughly 9 volts and that makes it a quite easy to drive up. From the 12 volts you just have to drop, use a buck regulator to drop the voltage down and the current regulation. Um, the circuit board with the driver has two capacitors, two inductors on this side, and then a bridge. react for our discrete project far on this side and a control chip.

Now I Could the control chip is not marked and this one I Found a equivalent sort of pin compatible chip. bit of reflection here isn't there El8862 and that does seem to have the same functionality with that being the control pin. So what we have here, we have a current sense resistor for regulation the current through the LEDs. We have the chip itself.
We have the inductor to actually drop the current, and then we have this sort of flyback diode. But there is a mystery component here. It's marked B1 and it said measures are dead. Sure, almost like there's a link in place of something.

I Do not know what this is I Haven't a clue what that component is or what it's for because it's not part of the normal design and it's not like it's been used as a link to jump over a track I Really don't know what B1 is. So the redirect fire is based on the four discrete diodes. They go straight to capacitor. Then there's an inductor with a resistor across it, which I've not drawn.

The schematic: I shall add that in a moment, and then there's another smoothing capacitor so that's just basically providing a bit of filtering and then this then drops the current. There's a couple of tiny little capacitors just I don't even think they're shown in the uh, the schematic. the official schematic. Not sure, but they're just very low volume.

They seem to be sort of for filtering, possibly to protect LEDs against spikes or the to lessen the kick from this inductor. Let me show you the schematic. Let's add that missing component that I've just spotted across the inductor. It's a resistor and it is just basically across the inductor there.

What value was that? The value of that was Five, One two five One and two Zeros Five One Zero Zero Ohms 5.1 k. Foreign: there's the catastrome. Now, this one is rated 25 volts. Note that if you use it with the aforementioned high frequency Electronic Supply That puts out a series of spikes, it may charge up to well above 25 volts potentially 30 volts plus and it may actually damage this capacitor.

It may cause it to fail. It will certainly put stress in it. Also, this sort of pulsing high frequency output may cause problems with the bridge rectifier. Um, but there is the rectified Supply website.

You can use either low frequency AC or you can just use fixed DC or just sort the polarity out itself, smoothing, filtering, more smoothing, and then this chip here, the el8862. If it is that every company seems to clean each other's products, then normally I would expect things like a current sensors to return to the zero volt reel, but in this case it's actually going up to the positive reel. So what happens here is that? Um, the positive rail here? So let's say plus 12 volts roughly and zero volts current. When this turns on, the inductor current can flow through the center resistor 0.24 ohms through the LEDs and there's three LEDs in series effectively.

But then there's a seven multiples of those in parallel. There's a two little tiny capacitors and the current flow shouldn't Doctor but initially because then Doctor has no magnetic field and it starts building up magnetic field and that pushes back a bit against the current so it limits how much current can flow. Um, when that then turns off this inductor, it uh, causes the field in that collapse and whereas this end was going negative and this end was positive, will reverse and it'll find a path through this shot Q Diode. So for greater efficiency, so the LEDs lighten both half of that cycle, there's the mystery B Component I Do not know what that is at all.
If you have any ideas, leave a message down in the comments: Uh, Once at the current, well, the current is set by this Uh 0.24 Ohm resistor as soon as it reaches a specific level that measures the voltage between the positive Rail and this point and that and it sensed there by the feedback. Let's call that feedback and and that basically limits how much current will flow on each cycle of the Uh driving the LEDs. Not sure what the value of these are because. uh, they're quite low value I Couldn't really test them in the circuit I wasn't getting good figures I'd really have to take them out of circuit and have a more accurate meter for that, but that's more or less it can.

you hack these for other uses. Unfortunately, they're very hard to get apart. You always end up bending the iron and plate trying to open these, and that's going to put a lot of stress in the LEDs themselves. But having said that, if you're living off grid, if you're living in a 12 volt system, these will happily handle a wide voltage range.

so pretty much handle from about say the minimum which these LEDs are going to like. say nine or ten volts, which you don't really want your 12 volt battery going below that and it will have to handle up to about 24 volts probably. So it's going to be well within the range of a standard car battery, but that is it. Uh, the Poundland because that's where these came from.

both the status and the ultra bright MR16 12 volt lamps. They're actually really very simple inside and quite nicely laid out. A good logical design.

14 thoughts on “Poundland 12v bulb with mystery component”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Two Shirts says:

    Hey did you ever think that you're basically a hand model for electronic schematics.

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars chatrkat says:

    I love the additional knowledge I get from watching your videos, in addition to seeing the various products disassembled and explained in detail. Probably why I’ve watch BigClive for so long, and will continue to do so.

  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Kopsu says:

    I need help with my led-lights. If anyone can answer, it is greatly appreciated.

    I have 7 spotlights in my kitchen. They have a g4 socket and they are powered by two 12v transformers. The lights originally had halogen bulbs.
    I have bought g4 LED bulb replacements that claim they work directly for halogen replacement. However, they dont last long. Less than a year. The money i have saved in electricity is long gone compared to the led bulbs that burned out.
    Is there a way I can make the leds last longer? Decrease the voltage with some component? What is my best option here? I really like the spotlight fixtures and dont want to replace them.

  4. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars cdl0 says:

    Some things: First thing, the black board is perfectly okay, but it is just not Big Clive without the traditional, stained hardboard board. 🙂 Next thing, the style of lamp in this video is common, and Big Clive is right that they are run at the edge of failure, because they do not live long. Another thing is RFI: I notice many comments suggest B is a ferrite bead. This style of lamp are okay-ish for RFI; however, there is another commonly available style where the RFI is absolutely terrible, making it impossible to listen to the radio while the lights are on. It is so bad that I sent a complaint to the manufacturer! The latter style, however, gives better light and runs cooler. RFI and suppression of RFI from these lamps might make an interesting topic for a future video.

  5. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Chris558576 says:

    I acquired some unbranded mr16 type lamps & wondered if i could use them at 24v. So i monitored the current & started winding up the voltage. The current started falling making me think buck converter, a good sign but i learned it had a 16v electrolytic cap when it went pop.

  6. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Mike Adler says:

    👍👍

  7. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars James Snow says:

    Thank you for covering 12vac. I'm in the 12vac Garden Light business.

  8. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars GordonH says:

    Years ago I put 3 GU10 LED bulbs in a light fitting which worked great. Over the next few months our burglar alarm siren kept going off, but no trigger was shown on the control panel. I then realised that iit was always at night when I was in the room that had the new LED bulbs. The wireless alarm siren was mounted on the wall ouside the same room and included a circuit that detected if someone was trying to jam the alarm system. So iits a nice touch that the LED bulb manufacturers are now adding B1 in such lights to suppress EMC.😂

  9. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Craig Nehring says:

    Mystery component is a fuseable link?

  10. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars ᴛʜe iɴꜰaᴍous ʙ-ᴅuʙ says:

    It's a speck of a rare synthetic radioactive isotope of americium. 🙃 That was a joke.

  11. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Night Cat says:

    I like the black table. You could perhaps do a dynamic compromise (at home) by using a cutting mat, & then you could remove it if the colour was too close to what you were trying to show.

  12. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars imaginitivity says:

    I didn't really follow why this thing was switching on and off. Is that just a result of protecting the leds from over voltage? If the supply is a steady 12v would any switching occur?

  13. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Steve Jagger says:

    Thanks Clive. You given me a new idea for my emergency lamps which I use for the regular outages whwre I live near the equator.

  14. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Fluxkompressor says:

    That Chip must be a variant of the PT4115
    1.2A LED current at up to 30V Input Voltage
    Cloned by everyone, also with different specs. I believe there is a 50V variant and a 2 or even 3A one.

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