A very simple, but extremely useful 6-24V test probe that can detect polarity and force energise circuitry in either polarity with the press of a button. It's basically a logic probe for cars and trucks.
The circuitry is refreshingly simple, with just one oddity. It turns out that the original this was probably based off does just have the resistors and LEDs as I described. I wonder where the extra components crept in.
This test probe is widely available on eBay. Target price is around 20.
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Another one for the mechanics. This is a very simple but useful tool. It's an electric circuit tester for vehicles. Brilliant tool for the Auto Electrician and mechanic I Have to agree it is pretty too handy Tool: It's very, very simple.

It's written. the manual is written in very much Chinglish It's bizarre. It even gives wrong instructions. It's fantastic.

I'll put that out of the way and show you the tool. So this thing is very simple. It lets you connect to the car battery and then you can promote electrical connections. Well, I'll show you let's air power up a very long lead, but that's because it's designed to wander about all over the engine compartment and indeed to the other end of your vehicle.

Social: Connect that black to the negative red, the positive and no when you I'll keep that clip out the way when you take the cover off the tip and you touch it onto positive. If you watch the LED here, it shows that what you're connecting to, it is positive or if it lights green, what you're touching is negative. So it helps with tracing things. But also suppose for instance, that you had a light which was referenced to the chassis like many of the lights and vehicles are, that chassis if you're American chassis if you're British or indeed, uh, French which is where the word comes from.

But now, if you were wanting to trace a problem with the light and you could test it locally by going on to the light or Tesla on the whole circuit, you can put it onto the connection and then you can choose whether tip because negative or positive and as you can see when it goes positive, it's just switching the street to that. Now if you were to put it onto the negative connection and then you're to switch to positive, The power supply is limited current, but what would actually happen in a vehicle with unlimited current from the battery is it would trip internal protection. It would also sound an alarm to let you know that something had tripped Auto reset trip. Okay, that's more or less it.

I Think it's time to open this up. This incidentally is a little portable campaign type light. It's just LEDs and resistors. Nothing fancy.

It's a a 12 volt light. I've never made a video about it I Don't think not really much to make a video about. Should get these clips out of the way now. You might think they're red and green.

LED is going to be super simple. You'd think maybe you could use a resistor and an LED from the positive to the tip and then another one from the negative to the tip. but in that instance, both the LEDs would be lit all the time and it wasn't connected to anything. It's quite clever how they do this.

I'm looking forward to uh, reverse engineer to see how they actually do that. So if I pop the cover off this thanks to Phil for the uh screwdriver it gave me a while ago. It's hand machined, not available commercially custom machined just for me. It's quite neat how we made it.

he, uh, the adapter for the end is actually a little socket and uh, he machined it down and then put it into this so the grub screw to hold it in. Quite neat. Very smart. I Do appreciate it, especially because it is handmade.
It always makes things a bit more special. Does it not Okay. Oh, incidentally, this black lead here. if you want to test something that's actually removed from the vehicle, you can basically put this clip onto and it's connected directly to negative here.

So you definitely don't want this clip to touch the positive because there is no over current potential look of it. Okay, the first surprise is that this probe is actually captive here and that it's going on to these little springy contacts down here. I was expecting that I thought it was just going to be our wire soldered onto. I Can see the Beeper for the overload indication I Also see the switch here I'm going to have to desolder that to get the circuit board out.

Is there much on it? Anyway, there's the there's the LED it's a three connection. LED they're all connected. Does that also have an indication mode? For other things, there's the Uh over current device. It's a PTC Thermistor a PTC Thermistor is basically a thermistor temperature sensitive resistor that is designed to.

initially. it has a low resistance, so it allows current to flow through it without any problem. but as soon as the current reaches a certain level, it causes T-top map when it heats up itself Heats itself and its resistance goes up and it just basically goes into a high resistance state. There's anything else under there, there's not.

There's really not much in here. There's a bridge. react far. There's a transistor.

There's some resistors on the LED. Okay, right, tell you what. I shall pop this out I'll take a picture of it so we can reverse engineer it one moment. Please, Reverse engineering has done its refreshingly simple.

It's almost excitingly simple. So let's zoom in in this and we shall explore this now. the two circuit board sections here. This is the main component side with redirect Fire and the buzzer on it and the components here.

and the side of the LED is the other side. but I've flipped this top image so everything correlates. You know this pad is here. This pad is here and things worth of node.

The buzzer circuit for indicating a fault is just stunningly simple. This Uh is a 7 amp 30 volt over current device. It's a PTC positive temperature coefficient thermistor and when it trips, it goes open circuit. When it goes open circuit.

if you get the probe, say for instance, you've got it switched positive. but you put the Probe on negative. so there's a dead Short Circuit The high current will flow through that will trip, but then you'll have a high voltage across it. That high voltage.

Well, the 12 volts gets rectified so that no matter which polarity, whether you had it switched positive or negative, it gets rectified and it goes to buzzer. That's it. So that as long as the probe is held on and there was a short circuit and that was open circuit, then it the buzzer will sound to show it. You know there's a short circuit and a protection trip.
The LED is actually an RGB LED with the six pins. kind of like a video. While LED I suppose it's just the cheapest way to do it and their Arrangement the resistors is quite odd. Uh, there's not really much to show in this.

Let's cut straight to the schematic and there is an anomaly. I'll let you chime in in this. Tell me what you think. So zooming up here's a crocodile Clips or alligator clips that go onto the vehicle battery.

Oh something. I should mention. One thing you shouldn't do. this probe is probe.

low voltage stuff like centers that are expecting 5 volts. Back to the engine management system. you definitely don't want to stick 12 volts on that. I Just thought I'd Mention that.

Be careful what you're proving. It's mainly for the sort of 12 volt side of the vehicle. Um, so here's a 12 volt rail coming. in.

those clips, there's a little auxiliary clip. This little clip which is designed to allow you to test things when they're out the vehicle. Things that would normally be grounded to the chassis or the chassis as you might see in America Um, so that's just connected straight to the negative. There's a switch that can toggle between off and either positive or negative for the probe.

and there is the PTC Thermistor 30 Volt, 7 amp PTC and the bridge rectifier and the buzzer across that so that if that goes open circuit while you, you're proving, it, will simply make this buzzer sound an inner priority. It's incredibly simple. Now, the LEDs There's a resistor Bridge across from the positive to the negative two 1K resistors. Meaning, there's going to be a current flow probably about five milliamps roughly typically.

Is that about right? Yeah, it's going to be about six milliamps actually continually flowing. But if you connect the probe to see, for instance, the chassis which is negative current will flow from the positive through this resistor, through the green LED shows negative and then through this resistor and this diode that's the resistorant diodes I get to feel these aren't needed. Likewise, if you're to connect to the positive, current will flow from the positive into the probe, through this diode, through this resistor through the red LED to show that you've touched the positive and then find its way to the negative rail via this one key current limiting resistor. I Don't think these are needed.

In fact, they actually pose a slight problem. Uh, if the LEDs were just bridged in parallel, then the voltage across them can't the reverse voltage can exceed the forward voltage of the other LEDs so it's going to protect the other. LED It's a bit like those bipolar bi-color LEDs with just two leads, but by adding an extra resistor here, it means that if you were to touch the probe onto something with a very high inductance like say, for instance, you touched it to the starter coil um, and the starter relay and then you click the switch to energize that. but then you release the switch, you could get quite a high voltage spike in that probe and normally that would be clamped across.
it would go through the LEDs and their appropriate resistor and it would result in a sudden current Spike but it should. the LED would clamp that. However, if the current spec was high enough, it could create a high enough voltage across these that it would pose a slight risk of overvolting the other LED with the leakage through the diode. I Do think it's a huge thing, but it just makes me think they've over complicated this by adding these two diodes and these two resistors.

They literally could have just bridged those like that and just run them straight over there. am I right in seeing this: I think um I Don't know why they've put those in. There must be a reason, but um I don't know. Let me know what you think in the comments down below, but that's refreshingly simple, isn't it? There's really not much to go wrong.

Um, the LED could fill the PTC is rated to break fairly High currents, and there's a certain element of resistance in these cables that's going to limit the the current sort of sensible level before it breaks it. And that's nice. It's a very simple design, a very simple and functional tool that is extremely useful for Diagnostics on vehicles. Nice enough case as well.

That does surprise me that the I thought there's going to be a wire sorted under here, but instead this proves it's kind of oh, you know, it's pushed in and then it's actually clamped in place. It hits an end stop there, and then it's clamped in place by this little um, spacer here. That's quite neat. Um, and I Suppose that makes sense that they've just got these little spring-loaded good plated contact, so just touch up against that to make contact with it.

It just keeps things simple from Manufacturing but that's it. A very neat little device. A very functional device. It's uh, perfect for diagnosing many problems in vehicles.

It's got a relatively long cable I don't know how long the cable is and I'll just measure it one moment, please. It has been measured. It is roughly 4 meters or 13 feet, so that's a good distance. It may struggle to get to the back of the vehicle if you've got that in the battery.

depends the vehicle. There's a length of it and the accessibility of the battery, but that is it. A nice, chunky, robust case. I Like this fairly solid switch.

the nice simple: LED Buzzer circuit tuner protection It's actually a really nice, well-designed device.

16 thoughts on “Inside a mechanic’s test probe – with schematic”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars tamtgirl says:

    i love my brand version of this! mine came with an extension lead that'd reach the back of semi trailers. nice to know i can get a MUCH cheaper replacement

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars AlexYeets says:

    pretty sure the lights are meant to light up dim when 'probing' and then light up bright when giving positive or negative with the switch. Maybe that explains the weird setup?

  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Mower Monkey Garage says:

    As far as the positive- negative detection, I learned about 35 yrs ago how to make one that is super simple and works great. The leads from the battery are connected to 2 – 360 ohm resistors, the other leads of the resistors are connected together and connected to one leg of a bi-color led the other leg of the led goes to the probe. Connect the battery leadโ€™s, current will flow through the resistors connected in series and when you touch the probe to ground/negative the led will light green, touch positive the led will light red, if the led is in circuit properly. Has been an extremely handy bit of test equipment over the many years. I first saw one offered to mechanics by Mazda in the mid 80โ€™s, then with in a year Volkswagen instructor gave us the plans for building they out of multimeter test leads. Hope I explained it well enough. Thank you BigClive for all teaching skills you have been of great service to all of us.

  4. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Mike Smith says:

    Very good timing as this warm spell has us mechanic wannabes out in force.

  5. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars James Edwards says:

    This video left me rectified, +1

  6. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Snappy Little says:

    Iโ€™ve sold hundreds of the name brand Power Probe versions of this. Never even knew there was a generic version or tore one apart. Very interesting!

  7. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars fastst1 says:

    I have one that has a little tiny lcd display and can be a small oscilloscope for reading low voltage sensor output

  8. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Chris Probert says:

    these were originally released as POWER PROBE, years ago . very usefull . now much more advanced under same name . that one cheap chinese type i imagine

  9. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars sortofsmarter says:

    I have gone through 2 or 3 of them in my life, used it almost every day at my job as a auto and marine repair. Although mine had a beeper with 2 different tones ,one for ground and one for power. It would work from 5v to 24v. Also it had a lcd screen on it to show the current voltage at the tip but all of mine had a resettable 20 mini breaker ant the clips came off to add a cable extender , maybe 7 meters longer. Warning….dont test airbag wiring….

  10. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars sonixthatsme says:

    I hate those things, if not careful you could pop an ECU.

  11. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars twocvbloke says:

    There's more advanced computerised versions of these now, which are a headache cos when you just want to push a buttin you have to go through the menus to find it… :S

  12. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars SteveP says:

    Wouldn't the diodes be needed to limit the reverse voltage on the LEDs? Often Vr can be 5V or lower.

  13. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Mladen Miliฤ‡ says:

    If they put 6 contact switch, not just 3, auxiliary clip could be energized in reverse of probe. So you could test electric windows. It would cost me maybe 50c more.
    If I had this tool, I would replace the switch and do it myself.

  14. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ท๓ ฌ๓ ณ๓ ฟLuminous Fractal says:

    Whats a veekle clive? ๐Ÿคฃ

  15. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars silverdragonheart says:

    I wonder if maybe the extra diodes and resistors are there from another incarnation of this tester where filament bulbs were used in place of LEDs as the indicators for positive and negative.

  16. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars The_GNU_Ninja says:

    A device made out of Chinesium that may actually be useful. I'm shocked. Shocked I tell ye ๐Ÿ˜‰

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