A look at an alternative to the classic Wago style push-in wire connectors.
The design is reassuringly simple, with what appears to be a copper contact plate with springy steel tangs that grip the wire and hold it firmly onto the copper.
The way the spring metal is attached to the copper is fairly complex, with a set of tiny rivets that appear to be formed from the copper plate itself.
These came from Screwfix in the UK, but are probably available from many other distributors around the world.
https://www.screwfix.com/p/ideal-32a-2-way-push-wire-connector-10-pack/42201
They seem to do a very similar looking range to the classic Wago terminals too.
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We're all used to the Wigo or Vago connectors. These are the classic pushing ones. Let me go down a little bit closer. but recently I got some Uh through connectors by a company called Ideal and these came from a UK supplier called Screwfix a prominent trade material supplier and the odd thing is, it's got the sort of hints of the strong ends the American flag on here and it lists American work ages so I wonder if this originates in America I'm not sure.

However, there is a sticky label in the back. uh European specifications Other specifications shown in this box do not apply to the UK market and uh, the idea of these is that as opposed to the Vago or Wigo Vago being the correct pronunciation because it's Vagner and uh, there's two names Blended together and one of them is Vagner. Now with these, both the Wirs go in from one side. with this style of connector, they go in from one side and the other side.

So let's start by actually just pushing a cable in. So this is 2.5 mm cable and I'm going to push it in and see how it goes. It went in Fairly solidly and this one goes in the round hole and it also went in Fairly solidly and now they're locked in. Now this claims to be rated up to 32 amps which is reasonable enough and it handles a copper wire.

solid copper wire of5 to 4 mm. This is 2.5 a put in so it could go bigger but the stranded copper wire. It's only for what you might call conduit wire. where you've got seven strands or less and not uh, flx.

You can't use flex in this because it'll just sort of crumple up when you push it in against the spring in here. But we can take a look at the spring because I I've already opened one uh and taking pictures. So let's take a look at the Uh listing for this. Well, the listing the the retail, the shops uh listing.

so this is the Screwfix page. I should focus on that and it says I do 30 CH 2way push wire connector 10 pack suitable for5 to 4 mm cables Single use only now I'm not convinced it's totally single use only, but I'll mention that afterwards. Quick and easy installation. It is fast to free.

Alternative Crimps absolutely easily extend short wires. It is quite good. So 239 including V for 10 of them. Um, which makes about 24 each inclusive now.

I Opened one up and this is what it looks like inside. This is the bit you want to see, isn't it? There is a copper slug here and it's got hes through it. four holes but it's also got a little ramp. See where that wire is going up there? It's actually a ramp there.

Now the In: When this metal structure is actually inside. Well here's the metal structure right here. When it is inside the plastic housing, it pulls these back just a little bit and that actually makes the the cable actually sit more flatterer onto this. uh, copper slug.

But the main thing is, it looks as though it is copper and it's producing. Although it's got the spring steel, the spring steel is really just there to grip the cable and push it against that and the way they've attached it in there these tiny little rivets. I'm not sure exactly the manufacturing technique they've used I Don't know if they've placed them down into the holes and then flared them out or if they were somehow pushed up from the copper and then actually, um, flared out and they, but I don't think they are copper I Think they are separate rivets put in and there's four of them. Um, but as you push it in, it pushes this little Tang back which grips the wire and then pushes it against the copper.
Slug and that's what makes the connection. H It looks fairly robust. now. What? I was thinking um, when I was saying that maybe this is releasable.

This is where I wish I'd got a screwdriver of the correct size there. there's one hold on a little jewelry screwdriver. I Can see why they don't want you reusing these and they don't want you reusing them because if you use excessive force to do what I'm about to do which may not even work, it could potentially damage the connector and actually make a bad connection. But let's get this one.

so there is a probing point in here that you can put a test meter in and you can actually touch the metal at the back here to actually probe in and make do an electrical test. But I reckon that if you wheedled that in maybe I'm wrong and just pushed in very gently, you might be able to, uh, release that. Uh, Tang but it's not a recommended thing. I'm thinking maybe maybe this is why.

maybe it's because, uh, you'd end up using unreasonable force, would you? you would, so that's not a good idea. Okay, so they're absolutely right. It is a single use connector. Now the Vago on the other hand, you could kind of twist them out to spiral them out.

Is this going to work with this one? It does, so there is that option. but it does say single- use connector. They don't really want you doing that, but it does kind of work. so it's worth knowing that should you screw up and you've only got one connector left, but that is it.

H Is there much else really to say about these? They seem to be sensibly designed. H It's quite nice that the cables only have to overlap small section, so you only need. uh, if you say for instance, a cable got cut, you only need to find a little bit of slack to actually strip these and then push it into this connector. And it does have that straight through flow that you know you've got the you've got the cable coming in, one side, coming out the other.

or as they say, it could be used to extend cables when a cable has been left a bit short in a switch or socket box and then you just want to add a weed tail onto it like this that you can just plug it into this, but it's pretty neat. It's a nice enough looking connector, so that is it. The splice line I Wonder if they do other stuff I Have to have a look at that H It is an interesting alternative to the vagle connector, and it does actually seem to work quite well.

13 thoughts on “Inside a spliceline push in cable connector”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars @Azlehria says:

    Ideal also makes (or made) a splice connector similar to the Wago you show in this video, which I attempted to use on one project as supplied material.

    Although its rating included much smaller wire, the 14 AWG (~2.5mm^2) solid copper wires that I inserted pulled out of the connector when I tucked them into the standard 4" square junction box. It was a very good thing that I wasn't working hot, since the live supply was the wire that pulled completely free and scraped my hand.

    Assuming I'd made a mistake somehow, I pulled the junction back out and made sure that all of the wires were fully inserted, then held them and tugged on the connector. With perhaps 10 pounds of force and no twisting, the connector came completely free of all the wires. A repeat with a new connector and freshly-trimmed and stripped wire had the same result.

    I then went out and retrieved my own supplies, using wire nuts (also Ideal). Fucking around during demo, I've suspended my own 150+ pounds of body weight from those on 14 AWG; I know they'll hold the wires securely.

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars @ronwade5646 says:

    House wiring only? Why, it's wrong for that and not OK for stranded wite. Junk!

  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars @britishtechguru says:

    If you lightly tinned stranded wire then you could use stranded.

  4. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars @JustinKoenigSilica says:

    I wonder what kind of watts you can push through this connection as opposed to the wires themselves

  5. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars @bzqp2 says:

    Can you recommend some high CRI (~95?) LED lamps (standard E27) available in Europe?

  6. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars @mesengerman says:

    Wago actually makes some that do the same.
    Here are two part numbers for example: 2773-2401 without the lever and 221-2411 with lever.

  7. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars @boden8138 says:

    I really don’t like splicing solid core in this way. I’d rather run a new wire.

  8. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars @shadetreemechanicracing22 says:

    You could do a current carrying capacity test. AKA failure test. AKA fire test.

  9. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars @whitesapphire5865 says:

    Certainly looks better than the ubiquitous "choccie block" connector, smaller, no exposed screw heads, doesn't chew up the wire like a choccie block, and inherently grips tighter if you try to pull it apart.

    No doubt there'll be a shortcoming somewhere, but as I see it, what's not to like about it, if you keep within working specs?

  10. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars @Pippy84 says:

    Is it bad that I want to see someone overload that and see it melt or set it at 450v @32amp and see how long it can hold it lol
    it’s America so it’s better then Chinese connectors. not sure where our American abilities to make products stand anymore 🙁

  11. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars @ACombineSoldier says:

    I see these in fixtures all the time.

  12. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars @philliplopez8745 says:

    Wonder if they work with typical crimp on ferrules for stranded wire .

  13. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars @philliplopez8745 says:

    I like the abundance of contact area , WAGOs have such narrow contacts, just basically knife edges .

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