This is a unit that Philips use in some of their LED street lights to protect the LED drivers from transients. Especially important when LED lights are used on the same circuits as discharge sources like low and high pressure sodium or metal halide, as some of the lamp ignition circuits are very spiky.
When electronic halogen transformers first appeared on the scene they were very prone to failure when used on the same circuits as traditional transformers due to issues with the inductive spikes caused by the traditional transformers when switching. Now history may be repeating itself with mixed street light types. This unit may be intended to help get the light through the warranty period.
I do like the open construction MOV modules. Unlike the potted MeanWell units with their encapsulated thermal fuses, these units use a simple spring contact. It even looks like the classic wavy-line fuse symbol.
As with all Philips lighting products the design is pretty neat. Notably the resistor in series with the LEDs dropper cap circuit, that is designed to handle the full current if the capacitor fails short circuit.
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Let's take a look at our Phillips Lighting Extreme Surge Protector as used in the street lighting and other applications and this is basically wired in parallel with your supply. It's got a couple of holes for mounting it into a gear tree or you can actually screw it onto just a hole in the metalwork and it's got uh, push fit connectors and if you look very carefully and it's not very bright, see, there'll be green flickering dot. That is the indicator that everything is good. Looks like an LED but it's very, very dim, right? Tell you what.

Let's unplug it. get the wires out. Hopefully it doesn't hold a huge charge. So I shall push down in these connections because they are just pushing connectors and we'll open it up and I shall take it apart, which is more or less the same as opening it up.

Let's Zoom down onto this so we can see it together. Hopefully this is going to come apart easily. That's not bad. Is it going to be potted? No, it's well, it's kind of parted.

If these are what I think they are. Does this come off? It does. There's the LED There's a gas discharge tube going to the Earth Here are these look like a I Wonder if these are from TDK as well. These are very similar to the ones I Kind of want to take one of them off? Uh right.

I Probably will. Okay, let's take a picture of this and then a reverse engineer and we can see what's inside one moment please. Bit of desoldering and reverse engineering done and resume. I Thought these were potted and they're not.

so that means we can do a little experiment with one. We can trip the thermal effusiness. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to put a little bit of soda fresh soda onto the Soldier arm so it couples on well. I'm going to bring it up here I'm going to zoom down and then I'm going to focus on that so it's nice and sharp and then we'll Heat this up because this is a spring attached to a metal oxide varista on the other side and when it gets hot, it just pops open like that.

How simple is that? That is really quite neat. Uh. also technically speaking, you can put a new metal ox or verster and reset it, but that's not recommended. It also means that technically speaking, can reset this one.

However, that's also quite nice because look at the heat path here of the spring, which means that when you soldier in, it's less likely to stress the device. Very nice. and the metal oxide Barista itself is just going in a bit of a hair. well.

I can pull this out now. more or less can I pull this out. Let's get that connection there which is going down a little metal pin. Oh that metal pin is going down.

this sort of stop not coming out. Uh, but this other one is going down a bit of sleeving. or is that a bit of sleep. No, it's all molded in uh tubes in this, right? Say what? Let's Get down under there schematic one moment please.

So looking at the circuit board, it's quite odd because I wonder if the circuit board is designed to have multiple functions because there's positions for capacitors. it streams that they've shown them as round here and here and here and here. Plus all these links marked F, one, two, and three. there is this uh, gas discharge troop it's Epicos, which is part the TDK thing again.
I think these are also TDK components which TDK as soon as I see TDK I think of old magnetic uh cassette tips, but they're clearly they're a big player in the search suppression because meanwhile, and Philip said, that's two of the biggest players using their components. The other thing you can find on here is a resistor which is part of the circuitry limiting the current to this Led, but it's not the main component limit in the current to the LED 220k Red Red yellow. Actually, let me just let me check something. Nope, that's fine.

It's 220k Red Red yellow which is a two, two, and four which is four zeros. so that's 220 000 Ohms. But then they've got the gold and then they got a black one that's uh, that's going to be one of those weird resistors with, uh, maybe just an indication that it's also a fuse. So I'm not really sure about that.

That's quite strange. but then it's going to the LED but via other circuitry, let's take a look at the other side and this is where it gets more interesting. We have the uh, incoming Supply on these push down connectors. Loads of support here.

We've got these mysterious pads that look as though they could actually have be a more basic filter just with basically a capacitor between live neutral and the Earth. And maybe there's a version that does that, but they're going to these uh, metal oxide wristers with the built-in fuses I have shown earlier and the middle pin is this sort of feed pin to that fuse and then it cuts over to the actual metal oxide that Varissa is the charger pins. and uh, you've got one across live neutral and you've got Uh two going from life to Earth and neutral to Earth. But then they don't go straight to Earth There is that gas discharge tuberated about 600 volts I Think, uh, going to the Earth to provide separation so there's not current flowing to Earth.

The circuitry for the LED is a tiny little capacitive dropper, and by tiny I mean that capacitor is an extraordinarily low value. like three nanofard and then a very simple uh, the the simplest possible way to make the LED light. I'll show you it in the schematic. So here is what we have.

Uh, right, I'm just going to pause them and just double check something. Something is casting doubt into my mind at the moment. Nope, It turns out there was no reason to be doubtful at all as often it happens. So these devices are T20 K320, 324 RMS rated and they're designed that at the point normally you determine the voltage I'll Zoom down a little bit of these uh, metal oxide roosters is the point at which they're passing one milliamp that's just a threshold.
volts are starting to turn on. In this case, it's apparently 510 volt. Um, it's interesting to note that components inside the actual disk itself is called T20 Key 320. And so we have the neutral command via this thermal Fusion that the way it goes through the thermal fuse, the neutral goes through this thermal fuse and then it goes through this thermal fuse and then it goes to the monitoring circuitry.

or the live goes through this thermal fuse and goes to monitoring circuitry. So any of those fuse is breaking will actually trigger the LED to go out. so the metal oxidation across live in neutral is just connected after that fuse. If it starts overheating the neutral brake and that will break the circuit through that, the ones to Earth go from the neutral view of that fuse and that fuse to the Earth Uh via this gas discharge tube.

The Live likewise goes through that fuse to the gas and the metal oxide to the gas discharge tube. The circuitry here is basically a capacitive dropper, but the most absolutely minimalist type. It has a tiny capacitor that's why it's just barely a glow, but it's probably a gallon of no trade LED so make ramps are fine. It has that 220 key resistor, the three nanofard capacitor.

Um, it's got the LED then a reverse diode across that because otherwise the capacitor can't discharge and charge and that's how it works. basically the capacitive dropper and then it's got a 27 key resistor. cross it just to shunt any leakage which I wouldn't expect I'm not sure if that's even needed, but they've put it in for a reason. Um, so there we have It Ultimately, it's basically just a metal Ox rooster cross lava neutral live in Earth neutral and Earth with an extra battery or the gas discharge tube.

And if any of the thermal fuses go, the LED goes out. Not that any of your average Street lighting Engineers Because this is where these are really intended for use in street lights and other applications like that. Not that they're ever going to ever look at the Led to see if it's lit or not. they just wouldn't do that.

Uh, because that's nature. But if I was being cynical, I'd say that this is primarily a device designed to get these units out of their warranty. And it's worth mentioning that on the Isle of Man they recently refitted a lot of the lady in Douglas the means of capital city of Hellman with a state-of-the-art architectural LED lighting fixtures with RGB color changing and they get struck the lightning and it took the absolute whole lot out. So um, maybe they would have benefited from these uh devices that would have actually perhaps prevented that if it was the power supplies that blew up or but not if it was the actual like the control Network that blew up instead.

But interesting stuff. it's quite well made. It's designed for use in street lights, so I'd expect to be quite rugged. An interesting little surge suppressor.
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15 thoughts on “Inside a philips xtreme surge device for street lights”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars DieyoungDiefast says:

    For the resistor with 5 bands, the first 3 colours is the value, 4th is the multiplier and 5th is tolerance, so 224 x 0.1 Ohm, not sure what the black tolerance band signifies.

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Richard Brian Smith says:

    Awesome Video Big Clive

  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Beast says:

    I got some thing you can't do. Lincoln Town car cruise control module. If any one could there would be an aftermarket one produced.

  4. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Hola! The Channel Of Random Crap\\The CORC says:

    Nice! You should do a video on the old Sox lights and how they work with the ballast, capacitor and igniter. I do miss when streetlights were golden yellow, better than these horrible LEDs that like to go disco mode for no reason lol

  5. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Mervyn Partin says:

    I can understand that LED street lighting is more energy efficient, but whilst driving, I actually prefer the light from low pressure sodium lamps. Plus the night sky light pollution seems worse now with the widespread use of LED street lighting, despite the illumination spread supposedly designed to be completely downward. Why don't they use Yellow LEDs?
    Semi conductor devices (like LEDs) are definitely more prone to damage from voltage spikes, especially from nearby lightning- I have had to repair some of my fried equipment following a near strike.

  6. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Bob Minchin says:

    This device seems to be able to absorb minor transient pulses but anything that triggers any of the fuse links renders the device useless and the transients still get passed to the lamp. Surely the lamp should be wired to disconnect if the the suppressor fails to cope with a large transient.

  7. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Blitz Roehre says:

    This summer we had quite a few thunderstorms, and quite amazing how many LED streetlights were taken out by lightning strikes hundreds of metres away..

  8. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Peter Zeboroff says:

    I remember when your channel was just starting and now you are already at 1 million subscribers. Excellent videos.

  9. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Airton Granero says:

    A black band at the end means bifilliar winding (to annulate inductance) meaning it is non inductive. The common 5 band (usually used for low value of high precision resistors) does not work here because this usually means 3 significant digits a multiplicator and a tolerance but there is no black for tolerance and it would made the resistor have 22.4 Ohm what would make no sense for this voltage divider for driving a LED. This makes sense because an inductive resistor of high value would be too inductive and could cause the discharge tube conduct when turned on.

  10. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars charliesoffer says:

    TDK pop up everywhere with specialised filters, traps, etc.

  11. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Matt Hielscher says:

    A few sources seem to indicate the black band is, at best, to indicate the orientation of the resistor color bands – though it's superfluous in this case with a gold tolerance band. It would be useful to have those black bands on my cheap 1% resistors that CAN be completely ambiguous to read!

  12. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Tom Varley says:

    Great video, I would add that the installation requires the earth connection to true ground also and needs careful consideration and not relying on the mains earth to carry the surge away. In places like Edinburgh castle where the earth is poor due to the local geology, connecting the surge protector to the mains earth will do little to protect a system as the surge will travel around the earthed devices and do damage elsewhere.

  13. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars lilf says:

    Congrats on 1 million subscribers Clive.

  14. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars TANGLDWEB says:

    Yeah,.. this is getting Sad.
    Another Device stolen from public utilities, because he spent all his money on eBay ๐Ÿ˜‚

    Can't wait for him to get to the Power Meters on our Homes $๐Ÿ˜$
    … Tiss The Season ๐ŸŽ„

  15. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Dan White says:

    Massive congratulations on reaching a very well deserved 1 million subscribers!

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